I apologize to some of you in advance. This is kinda long.
I found this piece written in a forum on
Crosswalk.com. I'm not posting it to show my agreement (or my disagreement) with his point. I'm posting it to hopefully generate thought and discussion.
The author had this to say about it:
My purpose in writing this was to use precisely the same kinds of "evidence" used against Christian rock, rap, or pop and show how it could be as easily applied to more accepted (within the churches) styles. You would be surprised at how many times I get very angry responses to this piece -- mostly from hard-core defenders of rock or rap. (I think their reactions sometimes betray something of an idolatry with their chosen styles.)
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Hey Luke, thanks for stopping by my site. Your site is very inspiring.
As for christian music, boy that is a debate. I personally feel if it honors God and shares about him, sing to your hearts content! ;)
The shiny black shoes those 4 BQ guys are wearing do look prideful..
Well, if we're all in agreement that BQ's are evil, I'll just move on to Bluegrass. *thanks for the idea Mark*
Luke:
Bluegrass ?!
But all that "twang" could be considered speaking in tonges!!
Thats pretty contriversal too :)
wiat! wait!! wait!!!
Bluegrass is GOOD!
And their 'twang' isn't speaking in tongues. *tsk tsk* Their 'twang' is speaking in their "natural language." :)
Don't be decieved Dona...Don't be decieved.
But Bluegrass didn't...it's not...I mean...you can...it's...
oh.
:)
Hey Dona,
You where there that night I worked on Lukes car. I don't believe that was "Bluegrass" we listened to!
:0
I have no recollection of any music that might have been blaring from those speakers.
None at all.
Nope.
*grin*
Dang it Paul...that's in THE PAST brother. IN-THE-PAST. Can't we just move on.
"Those groups that no longer sport the bright costumes now come packaged in the classic business suit. Remember that such suits symbolize avarice, greed, oppression, and ruthlessness – all traits of the great Robber Barons of yesteryear and today's corporate thugs from Enron."
I'm sorry, but this has to be one of the worst correlations I have ever heard (okay, probably not the worst but a pretty poor one). Does it also mean that every pastor or minister who also happens to wear a business suit is symbolizing these same characteristics? I think not. Anyway, I don't want it to sound like I am totally bashing his article because he makes some good points about how the American church has lost its focus, but I am not sure that this "Christian BQ" is really the problem. One last thing, this article made me want to post something about the myths of the robber barons. So, I'll try to get that up tonight. Hope to see a lot of people at Purdue this weekend. God Bless.
Ryan, This article is full of really crappy correlations. The point of the article was to use standard arguments against CCM in an article critizing a more accepted form of music in the church. Notice how he also pulled birth control into the article...yeah...what's that got to do with it? And the whole thing about them smiling? What?
You're right though...some of his points about the church were correct, but he attributed it all to coming from a form of music he didn't like.
People tend to do that. They see a problem and attribute it to something they already have displeasure for instead of objectively finding out the cause so it can be truly fixed.
I'll look forward to your myth buster.
Good point, Luke. Hey, well we are on the topic of the American church losing its focus, I would recommend an article by Cal Thomas. Here's the link http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/thomas021406.asp
Ryan: Good article bro. I agree with him for the most part. While I am all for taking care of our planet, we, as Christians, need to make sure of our main purpose and not lose sight of that.
You can trace nearly everything back to a sinful source. Turns out the very earliest forms of written music (Middle Ages, Rennaisance, Baroque) follow a pattern for genres. Secular composers create a form of music (early example: Madrigals) and the churches eventually adopt the style to praise the Lord (the style of the secular Madrigal became the sacred Motet). Since the begining of musical styles, genres have been accepted and used by Christians that originated in the secular world (we're talking vocal style even, before there was instrumental accompaniment at all).
There's enough biased correlations used in this arguement to make one dizzy. I'm not going to speak for anyone's Christianity in the Christian music realm, but if someone claims to be a Christian, we are to accept that, we are not the judge. Whether we want to follow what they do or support it is different, but we are to reject no one who comes in the name of Christ. Even those fully false.
Let them go their way if you don't agree, but we can't be so ignorant to our own status as to judge them.
Are we really supposed to just let people who are fully false do their thing, just because they say they're Christians? Because aren't we supposed to judge the fruit that "I'm a Christian" people produce? And if someone is professing to be a Christian, yet their fruit very much shows otherwise, then isn't it somewhat our responsibility to talk to them and maybe point out that their fruit is not Christian fruit at all? Can we really just let them do their own thing, b/c they profess to be a Christian, and not try to help them get on the real Christian path?
I'm on campus every day with lots of people. Many of them profess to be Christians, and while they may be very different than me in their Christianity, I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that their Christianity is ligit. However, some of them profess to be Christians, and I can look at them, at their behaviors/etc, and all I can think is "this is a person who needs someone to witness to them." Do I say "you're headed straight for hell"? No way. But I might engage them in conversation to get them to think about how they're behaving and how that compares to the Bible instructions and description of a Christian.
on the subject of tracing everything back to a sinful source...what about clothes in general? we only wear clothes now because adam and eve sinned in the garden. clothes as well as music can be used for honor or dishonor, it's all in how we choose to use it.
There are many things that the Bible leaves open for us to choose whether to use them for honor or dishonor. However, there are always guiding principles in the Bible for every decision we make. There are guiding principles for the kinds of music we listen, and there are principles regarding the clothes we wear. However, within those principles there are still choices for us to make. That is why we need to have our faces in the Word so we can form good holy informed convictions about our choices before they become critical.
I should clarify Dona, if we love these people, we should want them to change, not just let them live in sin, I meant we don't have to follow them, help would be a good thing.
I also wanted to coment that the "hymns of Martin Luther" originated from secular music (and aren't the hymns we sing today, not even close in style or even word/story), we actually just went over vocal (insturments just played a drone) styles (monophony, polyphony, and homophony), which was almost the only exsisting forms of music in ML's time. You could say that when Martin Luther nailed the thesis to the church door, he furthered Christian 'secular style' music. Back then, singing with 2 seperate lines of music (polyphony) was controversial because of its secular root, some of this passage is nearly blasphmy.
Christian Rock, Rap, CCM, "BQ" and all other forms of people praising God with song are all good and acceptable to God each and every time the person is doing it with the intent to please God with it. If I bash on a set of drums, or even a desk in an effort to emotionally express to God my love for Him, that will suffice when I do it to the best of my ability.
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